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		<title>By: craigr</title>
		<link>http://crawlingroad.com/blog/2009/01/12/permanent-portfolio-25-stock-allocation-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>craigr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you own US companies you do have foreign exposure and layering on new foreign exposure can leave you with too much. Here is a Morningstar report discussing this where they point out that typical large US company derives perhaps 40% or more of their revenue from outside the US: 

http://www.morningstar.com/Cover/videoCenter.aspx?id=321386

Then there is the opposite. You may own foreign stocks but they could be doing a tremendous amount of business in the US so if the US economy is in shambles it will flow over onto them. Think of corporations like Nestle, Bayer, Honda, Toyota, Sony, etc. A bad economy in the US will affect them. 

The US still is a massive producer. If you travel outside the US you will see this. Coca-cola is enjoyed all over the world. Microsoft runs their software all over likewise. In Europe and Latin America I&#039;ve seen an abundance of US car companies such as Ford represented and this doesn&#039;t even include the foreign brands they own (such as Volvo, and for years before they sold down their shares - Mazda and Jaguar). Then there are books, movies, electronics, food and raw materials exports. You can&#039;t go anywhere without seeing Caterpillar construction equipment and John Deere in agriculture. Then there is the oil market which has US company representation all over the planet. The list is endless and the US still makes up a huge amount of the global economy production capacity. 

When US investors divest too far out of the US they are taking on additional currency risk that could not work out to their favor. The last decade much money was made in foreign stocks simply because the US dollar had lost about 1/3rd of its value compared to other currencies. If the dollar regains strength against these other currencies though the opposite could happen and those invested in non-dollar assets could be punished. 

The Permanent Portfolio strategy relies on investors being tied more to their local economy. You don&#039;t want to lose money because the UK Pound is doing poorly or a new Government is elected in Brazil which nationalizes all major industry. The US economy will move differently than that of the UK and Brazil and it&#039;s to US investor&#039;s advantage to have a portfolio that can roll with the economy as they are living it, not as someone in London is doing. 

I&#039;m not opposed to some international diversification, but investors thinking the grass is greener somewhere else could find themselves mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you own US companies you do have foreign exposure and layering on new foreign exposure can leave you with too much. Here is a Morningstar report discussing this where they point out that typical large US company derives perhaps 40% or more of their revenue from outside the US: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.morningstar.com/Cover/videoCenter.aspx?id=321386" rel="nofollow">http://www.morningstar.com/Cover/videoCenter.aspx?id=321386</a></p>
<p>Then there is the opposite. You may own foreign stocks but they could be doing a tremendous amount of business in the US so if the US economy is in shambles it will flow over onto them. Think of corporations like Nestle, Bayer, Honda, Toyota, Sony, etc. A bad economy in the US will affect them. </p>
<p>The US still is a massive producer. If you travel outside the US you will see this. Coca-cola is enjoyed all over the world. Microsoft runs their software all over likewise. In Europe and Latin America I&#8217;ve seen an abundance of US car companies such as Ford represented and this doesn&#8217;t even include the foreign brands they own (such as Volvo, and for years before they sold down their shares &#8211; Mazda and Jaguar). Then there are books, movies, electronics, food and raw materials exports. You can&#8217;t go anywhere without seeing Caterpillar construction equipment and John Deere in agriculture. Then there is the oil market which has US company representation all over the planet. The list is endless and the US still makes up a huge amount of the global economy production capacity. </p>
<p>When US investors divest too far out of the US they are taking on additional currency risk that could not work out to their favor. The last decade much money was made in foreign stocks simply because the US dollar had lost about 1/3rd of its value compared to other currencies. If the dollar regains strength against these other currencies though the opposite could happen and those invested in non-dollar assets could be punished. </p>
<p>The Permanent Portfolio strategy relies on investors being tied more to their local economy. You don&#8217;t want to lose money because the UK Pound is doing poorly or a new Government is elected in Brazil which nationalizes all major industry. The US economy will move differently than that of the UK and Brazil and it&#8217;s to US investor&#8217;s advantage to have a portfolio that can roll with the economy as they are living it, not as someone in London is doing. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not opposed to some international diversification, but investors thinking the grass is greener somewhere else could find themselves mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Aami</title>
		<link>http://crawlingroad.com/blog/2009/01/12/permanent-portfolio-25-stock-allocation-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas Aami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the US-centric investing tips in this blog don&#039;t make sense. You say US companies are safe, stable, and so on, but this goes against the principles of indexing. The whole point of using an index fund as opposed to selecting stocks is that you are diversifying across multiple companies as opposed to selecting stocks based on your own beliefs on how they will perform. You can&#039;t beat the market, after all. Therefore, if we apply the same logic, then why select countries like the US and hope to beat the broad index (the global index)? Anyone who has invested only in the US in the last decade has made less money than investors who invest outside the US. This clearly proves that you cannot be an active manager and simply assert that a US biased portfolio is adequate. How can anyone criticize active management and then go on to actively manage their portfolio by picking countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the US-centric investing tips in this blog don&#8217;t make sense. You say US companies are safe, stable, and so on, but this goes against the principles of indexing. The whole point of using an index fund as opposed to selecting stocks is that you are diversifying across multiple companies as opposed to selecting stocks based on your own beliefs on how they will perform. You can&#8217;t beat the market, after all. Therefore, if we apply the same logic, then why select countries like the US and hope to beat the broad index (the global index)? Anyone who has invested only in the US in the last decade has made less money than investors who invest outside the US. This clearly proves that you cannot be an active manager and simply assert that a US biased portfolio is adequate. How can anyone criticize active management and then go on to actively manage their portfolio by picking countries?</p>
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		<title>By: Sweendog</title>
		<link>http://crawlingroad.com/blog/2009/01/12/permanent-portfolio-25-stock-allocation-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweendog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Craig! Big help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Craig! Big help.</p>
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		<title>By: craigr</title>
		<link>http://crawlingroad.com/blog/2009/01/12/permanent-portfolio-25-stock-allocation-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>craigr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweendog,

Rebalancing between tax-sheltered and non-tax sheltered is always a concern. In these cases Browne and others have recommended trying to hold some assets outside of your tax-shelter to make rebalancing easier. Also, it is often the case that you can juggle assets around inside the tax shelter to not be forced to move money outside of it. If this means you buy your gold to hold in the shelter for rebalancing, then you just have to do it. It may mean that you do hold some non-tax sheltered assets, but also have the stocks, bonds, cash and gold inside a tax shelter as well. Look at your taxable and sheltered assets as one big portfolio in this case. Don&#039;t look at them as separate entities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweendog,</p>
<p>Rebalancing between tax-sheltered and non-tax sheltered is always a concern. In these cases Browne and others have recommended trying to hold some assets outside of your tax-shelter to make rebalancing easier. Also, it is often the case that you can juggle assets around inside the tax shelter to not be forced to move money outside of it. If this means you buy your gold to hold in the shelter for rebalancing, then you just have to do it. It may mean that you do hold some non-tax sheltered assets, but also have the stocks, bonds, cash and gold inside a tax shelter as well. Look at your taxable and sheltered assets as one big portfolio in this case. Don&#8217;t look at them as separate entities.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweendog</title>
		<link>http://crawlingroad.com/blog/2009/01/12/permanent-portfolio-25-stock-allocation-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweendog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful, wonderful blog - thanks.  I read Fail Safe Investing over a year ago but shelved it for a number of reasons having nothing to do with the quality of his message - it is spot-on, IMO.  Having said that, I am not an experienced investor; I have the typical employer-sponsored 401(k)s, and one precious metals IRA.  Generally, they handle it all, and I just sit back (and watch my earnings go down the tubes in some cases).  So I have a most basic question before I finally dive in, which is SO basic that I haven&#039;t found it anywhere in the discussion or other FAQs.  So bear with me.

It seems to me that, if some of the PP is in IRAs or other tax-sheltered instruments (which is WISE!), when it comes time to rebalance, don&#039;t you take an early withdrawal penalty, say to sell off stocks that are now at 35%, and buy gold which is now at, say, 15%?  Wouldn&#039;t that defeat the tax shelter aspect?  Or am I missing something?

Please use small words in your reply, as I am quite new to &quot;doing it myself&quot;, but I just inherited some 401(k) and estate sale finances from my dad, and I want to drop it in the Permanent Portfolio before inflation eats all of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful, wonderful blog &#8211; thanks.  I read Fail Safe Investing over a year ago but shelved it for a number of reasons having nothing to do with the quality of his message &#8211; it is spot-on, IMO.  Having said that, I am not an experienced investor; I have the typical employer-sponsored 401(k)s, and one precious metals IRA.  Generally, they handle it all, and I just sit back (and watch my earnings go down the tubes in some cases).  So I have a most basic question before I finally dive in, which is SO basic that I haven&#8217;t found it anywhere in the discussion or other FAQs.  So bear with me.</p>
<p>It seems to me that, if some of the PP is in IRAs or other tax-sheltered instruments (which is WISE!), when it comes time to rebalance, don&#8217;t you take an early withdrawal penalty, say to sell off stocks that are now at 35%, and buy gold which is now at, say, 15%?  Wouldn&#8217;t that defeat the tax shelter aspect?  Or am I missing something?</p>
<p>Please use small words in your reply, as I am quite new to &#8220;doing it myself&#8221;, but I just inherited some 401(k) and estate sale finances from my dad, and I want to drop it in the Permanent Portfolio before inflation eats all of it.</p>
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		<title>By: craigr</title>
		<link>http://crawlingroad.com/blog/2009/01/12/permanent-portfolio-25-stock-allocation-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>craigr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack,

If you&#039;re a DIY kind of guy the ETFs are fine (except I&#039;d prefer not to see the gold in ETF form, but rather more physical control). If you don&#039;t like messing with things then PRPFX is also fine if you are OK with the slight differences in the allocation. Over the long haul they both have done about the same. If you don&#039;t know which you&#039;d prefer, you could always do a little of both. The PRPFX fund is going to cost more in expense ratio over DIY (and there is also manager risk), but that&#039;s the price you pay for the convenience. I personally use the 4 x 25% split myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a DIY kind of guy the ETFs are fine (except I&#8217;d prefer not to see the gold in ETF form, but rather more physical control). If you don&#8217;t like messing with things then PRPFX is also fine if you are OK with the slight differences in the allocation. Over the long haul they both have done about the same. If you don&#8217;t know which you&#8217;d prefer, you could always do a little of both. The PRPFX fund is going to cost more in expense ratio over DIY (and there is also manager risk), but that&#8217;s the price you pay for the convenience. I personally use the 4 x 25% split myself.</p>
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		<title>By: JackPine</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackPine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

In your opinion is holding the PP in the form of:
TLT 25%
GLD 25%
VFISX 25% or Cash
VTWSX 25% or VTSMX
preferable to simply holding: 
100% PRPFX?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>In your opinion is holding the PP in the form of:<br />
TLT 25%<br />
GLD 25%<br />
VFISX 25% or Cash<br />
VTWSX 25% or VTSMX<br />
preferable to simply holding:<br />
100% PRPFX?</p>
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