Over at the Diehards forum a conversation came up about the fad of Person to Person (P2P) lending.

When I first saw this idea years ago, the first word to pop into my head was “foolish.”

The first reason I knew it was foolish is because business magazines thought it was a great idea.

The second reason is why in the world would anyone make an anonymous loan over the Internet to someone they know virtually nothing about? I’d rather just donate the money to charity where it could be better used.

What’s funny though is that these sites got started for reasons of undermining The Man (being the banks) that are so mean by requiring, you know, to prove credit worthiness. How archaic! Clearly we live in a world now where deadbeats, I mean “sub-prime borrowers”, are not risky at all. We’ll just do P2P loans and sing Kum-Ba-Ya and it will all work out and we’ll cut out those greedy middlemen.

But maybe The Man had this figured out long ago as the default rate on these peer to peer loans is abysmal. Check out the graph from this blogger:

http://www.prospers.org/blogs/Fred93

Prosper Default Rates Over Three Years

Since loans that are one month late nearly always default at these sites, that’s a 20% default rate after the first year and keeps going up the longer the loan is. Ugly! Now we know why loan sharks need to charge so much to their clients to turn a profit. No real bank could survive on default rates this high.

But it seems that sites like Prosper.com are trying to clean up their image.

Clark Howard reports:

But now Prosper is back in action with a relatively low default rate of 5% among borrowers, according to Barron’s. This service and its competitors are now putting people through their paces to weed out the baddies. The company claims 850,000 members and just a little under $200 million in loans underwriting at this date.

Lending Club has a 3% default rate, meanwhile, and turns down 90% of potential borrowers in an effort to cull the herd and find the most credit worthy.

The article follows up with this salient point:

That, of course, begs the question: Why would anyone go the P2P route if you’re credit worthy?

Yeah that’s pretty much what I think, too. If someone needs a loan from P2P they are probably doing it because nobody else trusts them enough.

But what about the returns?

The returns you might get as a lender can be enticing. Prosper claims the average lender earns 7% on their money, net after expenses and charge-offs. But those who are really into this virtual underwriting boast that they can make a 12% return.

The stock market has averaged around 9-10% a year the past 80 years. And now they’re telling me I’m going to beat the market by 20% a year with 12% returns by making loans to anonymous people that can’t get a real low-interest rate loan from a bank? Sounds like BS to me. If someone claims you are getting above market returns you are taking above market risks. There is no free lunch.

If I wanted to risk a 12% return (and let’s not kid ourselves because it would be quite risky) I’d just put the money I was going to use for P2P loans into a volatile emerging market stock index and let it ride. It may be a bumpy ride, but it could pay off. Yet, I may not get 12% over time but I’m not going to lose -100% either like with a large number of P2P loans. And for 7% returns? For that I’d just put it in the Permanent Portfolio allocation and go do something less stressful with my life while earning more money.

What’s most interesting is that these P2P sites started up to give loans to people that evil banks wouldn’t consider because of the credit risk. Now they are turning into weeding out credit risks just as evil banks do because of the deadbeats ruining it for everyone. In other words they’re turning into….evil banks! The hippies must be choking on their granola at this thought.

From all of this there is a lesson to be learned and that is that banks can seem heartless at times, but they have their reasons. Ultimately, as a depositor giving them my money to help fund loans for others, I want them to be picky. When they’re not picky (or told to not be picky by government rules) we end up with things like real estate bubbles where someone earning $20,000 a year is given $500,000 to buy a house. Also, loaning money to someone who can’t pay it back just makes that person’s situation worse by straddling them with more debt. How is that fair to them? It’s an overall bad deal for everyone involved.

Yeah I know there are some people that are not deadbeats in this P2P thing and could be good loan risks. But mostly I think these loans won’t lead to any additional profits vs. just doing something simpler (and safer) with the money. If you are trying to be charitable, then just donate the money to charity.

Overall, this entire idea of P2P loans reminds me of an Onion article I read a while back.